tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post1035715507283620887..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: Beer Genome Project (My Get-Rich-Slow Scheme)Jeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-54317702368819422292011-02-18T19:50:59.602-08:002011-02-18T19:50:59.602-08:00re: bacchation said... 'Pintley also seems to...re: bacchation said... 'Pintley also seems to quietly pay for its self by suggesting that I might want to try every single beer that Sam Adams' . . . <br /><br />There may be an non-conspiratorial explanation. <br /><br />Don't know. <br /><br />But, in the backwater of SW Fla where I overwinter, Samuel Adams is the only craft brewery readily available with more than [say] 3 Jack R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07625645308707849072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-12756461547354200512011-02-18T06:29:01.392-08:002011-02-18T06:29:01.392-08:00Jeff, what you're talking about is similar to ...Jeff, what you're talking about is similar to how Dr. Tom Shellhammer and the folks at OSU Fermentation Sciences taste beer. They do it blind and use very extensive tasting sheets were every flavor attribute is rated from 0 (not present) to 15 (overwhelming). They taste as a panel and then merge those scores. By using predefined terms (and also having a way to isloate certain attributes soBill Schnellernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-47063153890934528022011-02-17T23:01:25.385-08:002011-02-17T23:01:25.385-08:00I love the concept... But it's missing a cert...I love the concept... But it's missing a certain, well, <strong>immediacy</strong>. You turn on Pandora and you have music.<br /><br />You figure out how to put a tap on the front of my PC that actually *pours* me the beer it recommends, and you have your get rich quick scheme!Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14285052118454128338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-90281030279529743392011-02-17T20:30:25.720-08:002011-02-17T20:30:25.720-08:00Jeff, musicologists were hired for Pandora because...Jeff, musicologists were hired for Pandora because they are probably the only people who can identify syncopated drums and pull-offs with the A Dorian mode. But more than professional tasters should be able to identify straw colored body and floral hop aroma. Maybe some people can't pick up a slight melon finish, but crisp mouth-feel shouldn't be too difficult for a beer-geekish person Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00097878173622170668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-5794638895825394772011-02-17T19:57:34.937-08:002011-02-17T19:57:34.937-08:00Jack, thanks.
Shannon: now, you're not bias...Jack, thanks. <br /><br />Shannon: now, you're not biased, are you?<br /><br />Shawn, the virtue of Pandora comes in two flavors: 1) consistency; all the genomics are based on a specific set of criteria; 2) minimum level of competence. Let's leave aside the deficiencies of random raters; we can even see deficiencies when we think of our own history of tasting beer. Not everyone knows Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-80898406909083857602011-02-17T19:52:48.226-08:002011-02-17T19:52:48.226-08:00I really found the topic of subjectivity to be int...I really found the topic of subjectivity to be interesting. I totally agree that the average beer geek would balk at subjective/abstract descriptions of a beer, but I also think beer drinkers experience beer on both the objective and subjective levels and that isn't something that should be suppressed. <br /><br />So much of my experience with a beer is tied to the context in which I drank itUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08456109979404986163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-14038521962507306302011-02-17T19:24:44.569-08:002011-02-17T19:24:44.569-08:00Pintley also seems to quietly pay for its self by ...Pintley also seems to quietly pay for its self by suggesting that I might want to try every single beer that Sam Adams makes, when pretty much all of the beers I have rated highly are sours or CDA's. I know the people working there have stated that they have a secret revenue stream, but between people getting more points for "loving" a certain silent advertisers beers, and Pintley&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-14773355598313539282011-02-17T18:47:26.919-08:002011-02-17T18:47:26.919-08:00I don't know I find that when I listen to Pand...I don't know I find that when I listen to Pandora... which is a significant amount of time because it encompass my 8 to 12 hour brew days... that at some point the music takes a turn towards a different "genre". Usually I find that some odd song gets played and then all the following songs take note and eventually I get Johnny Cash when I was originally listing to Little Wayne. In Kyle Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504100873029961057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-51125025833885723702011-02-17T18:36:17.999-08:002011-02-17T18:36:17.999-08:00But why do you need highly trained beer 'geeks...But why do you need highly trained beer 'geeks' (tastologists?) to do this? Why can't you use the masses, or at least the more beer educated masses? Sites like Beer Advocate have a lot of people who know their beer quite well. If you were able to piggyback on a site like that which has a higher level of beer connoisseur, you can have lots of people judge certain qualities of the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00097878173622170668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-22057558738780576312011-02-17T14:51:38.095-08:002011-02-17T14:51:38.095-08:00Bret - As far as Pintley having the same goal, yes...Bret - As far as Pintley having the same goal, yes and no. Yes, in that we do personalized recommendations. However, no, we don't do it like this post talks about.<br /><br />Jeff - You're right, Pintley uses collaborative filtering. And I like to think that we do work ;)<br /><br />Depending on what the markers are, a beer Genome project might only end up recommending truly similar beersShannon Hickshttp://www.pintley.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-12791958852582259102011-02-17T14:14:32.903-08:002011-02-17T14:14:32.903-08:00Coupling two of your last three post
- Beerdora
- ...Coupling two of your last three post<br />- Beerdora<br />- Beer Sensory Science<br />together with the<br />- Scientific American article referenced in 'Beer Sensory Science'<br />suggest Beerdora's task is much more difficult than Pandora's task. Each of your olfactory worlds differ. Ie, may not be on the same planet much less the same continent.<br /><br />I particularly Jack R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07625645308707849072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-56509933007121236502011-02-17T11:51:47.184-08:002011-02-17T11:51:47.184-08:00Pintley uses a different methodology. Essentially...Pintley uses a different methodology. Essentially, their system is the same that exists through much of the internet. I don't know what it's called, but it uses an associative methodology to extrapolate based on other beers you like. The Pandora methodology actually judges a song based on its own qualities, rather than associations it has with other songs.<br /><br />Which is not to Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-24505020459319703812011-02-17T11:43:10.045-08:002011-02-17T11:43:10.045-08:00I like this concept, though I think something at l...I like this concept, though I think something at least similar already exists. I'm not sure the methodology is as precise or quantitative as the Music Genome Project, but I recently discovered pintley.com, which seems to (at least try to) accomplish the same goal of recommendations. I haven't populated enough of my personal ratings yet to see how the feedback turns out, but at least a fewBretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648314421658593551noreply@blogger.com