tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post115989962878402250..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: GABF - Oregon Screwed Again!Jeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1160429656120583712006-10-09T14:34:00.000-07:002006-10-09T14:34:00.000-07:00Sorry about some of the spelling. Never was good a...Sorry about some of the spelling. Never was good at proff reading.<BR/><BR/>MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1160429387562733072006-10-09T14:29:00.000-07:002006-10-09T14:29:00.000-07:00Wow, first time to this site and not sure if I wil...Wow, first time to this site and not sure if I willbe back. I just have to say that I too live in the great NW. I love and dispise Oregon beer. While we are making progess the beer community needs to open their minds and hearts to ALL the beer styles of the world. Yes Germany does lagers, Belgains do Belagin beers, etc but it gets old seeing IPA after IPA. I had to start homebrewing to get the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1160171057110044562006-10-06T14:44:00.000-07:002006-10-06T14:44:00.000-07:00arr. if you'll suffer a comment from a lowbrow bee...arr. if you'll suffer a comment from a lowbrow beer snob, that is to say, one who doesn't know what all the fuss is over, it seems all to simply laid out for me.<BR/><BR/>Most people are happy with their weak pilsner crap, and can only tolerate the mostly-like-budweiser beers of the world. There are some who like the other end of the scale, where Guiness lives. And then there's us pacific Will Von Wizzlepighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06052924981810837462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1160107982104714582006-10-05T21:13:00.000-07:002006-10-05T21:13:00.000-07:00All,I did overreact, and I hope you all feel comfo...All,<BR/><BR/>I did overreact, and I hope you all feel comfortable using your own names. I've been blogging for almost four years and I do understand the value of anonymity--I started out anonymously. <BR/><BR/>Beer should be more about enjoyment and getting along than in-fighting. I actually disagree with a large portion of what anonymous Michael has said, but as some of you have indicated, Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1160106569873214632006-10-05T20:49:00.000-07:002006-10-05T20:49:00.000-07:00Love it....Love it....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1160100211719608532006-10-05T19:03:00.000-07:002006-10-05T19:03:00.000-07:00I don't want to cause any waves and don't want my ...I don't want to cause any waves and don't want my name attached, because that is within my rights.But I think "Michael" makes some real good points and "Jeff" can't admit he's wrong on some of these subjects. <BR/><BR/>I think stiffling others opinions is against the whole purpose of having a blog. Especially, when the author can't defend a rebuttal without name calling.<BR/><BR/>Not very Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1160081861585308462006-10-05T13:57:00.000-07:002006-10-05T13:57:00.000-07:00Personally I think we did quite well considering h...Personally I think we did quite well considering how few of our brewers actually attended. As someone else mentioned, only 16 OR brewers submitted beers to the festival. <BR/><BR/>Of those 16 breweries, 8 won medals (with Pelican and Widmer taking home multiples), which means half the OR brewers that entered received an award. I doubt too many other states can claim that half of their Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04670279083285348299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1160024712225805872006-10-04T22:05:00.000-07:002006-10-04T22:05:00.000-07:00Well, if anonymous isn't Michael Jackson, whoever ...Well, if anonymous isn't Michael Jackson, whoever he is he can sure pound out some brewing verbiage. My comments are text messages compared to the articles he's attaching to this post.<BR/>BTW, kudos to Pelican. They dodged the Colorado Curse and brought home a tresure chest of medals!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159996829020585232006-10-04T14:20:00.000-07:002006-10-04T14:20:00.000-07:00"but I hate to be lectured to about how I and ever..."but I hate to be lectured to about how I and everyone else associated with beer in Oregon are half-wits who know nothing about beer."<BR/><BR/>Please don't misunderstand me. It's not my contention that locals know nothing about beer. To the contrary...afterall, you and I both live here and we seem to know it all. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159984650374652292006-10-04T10:57:00.000-07:002006-10-04T10:57:00.000-07:00Suds Sister, The question of the GABF is indeed an...Suds Sister, <BR/><BR/>The question of the GABF is indeed an interesting one, and I wouldn't mind discussing it, but I hate to be lectured to about how I and everyone else associated with beer in Oregon are half-wits who know nothing about beer.<BR/><BR/>I believe Oregon had 16 breweries competing, and half were winners. So on the one hand it's not actually such a rebuke of Oregon beer. <BR/><Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159980712268480322006-10-04T09:51:00.000-07:002006-10-04T09:51:00.000-07:00Jeff---Regardless of whether or not this was MJ, h...Jeff---<BR/><BR/>Regardless of whether or not this was MJ, he does have some valid points.<BR/><BR/>I sat in on a mock-beer judging put on by the GABF to show the press how a judging was done. An interesting point that one of the judges made was that they are looking for 'drinkability'. When it comes to high hops, the judges want balance. <BR/><BR/><BR/>FWIW, I saw MJ at the GABF this past Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159978772085361172006-10-04T09:19:00.000-07:002006-10-04T09:19:00.000-07:00Great, an anonymous--then lying!--beer blog troll....Great, an anonymous--then lying!--beer blog troll. Sorta like an opinionated drunk you try to slink away from in a bar. But you have now insulted Oregon beer, Oregon brewers, and Oregon beer drinkers, so I'm done with you. <BR/><BR/>(It is this comment in particular that demonstrates your foolishness: "Oregonian's are great drinkers, but most have very little beer knowledge..." In fact, Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159931740451974812006-10-03T20:15:00.000-07:002006-10-03T20:15:00.000-07:00Dude, Michael Jackson posted on your blog. Wow.Dude, Michael Jackson posted on your blog. Wow.Dave Seldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12391168733071293055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159927132378889542006-10-03T18:58:00.000-07:002006-10-03T18:58:00.000-07:00Jeff,Debating aside... I like your web blog! You'r...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>Debating aside... I like your web blog! You're ontop of local events!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159925657273517272006-10-03T18:34:00.000-07:002006-10-03T18:34:00.000-07:00Jeff,This is a typical "Defensive" answer I get fr...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>This is a typical "Defensive" answer I get from a lot of Northwesterners. Why so defensive? I stated more than once and in different ways that "Oregon brewers are capable of producing award winning beer and that a lot of Oregon beers are exceptional." Why would you personal defend an entire structure?<BR/><BR/>I've been been brewing for over 20 years; I've worked in the beer Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159918129350226332006-10-03T16:28:00.000-07:002006-10-03T16:28:00.000-07:00I think there are two reasons why Oregon doesn't b...I think there are two reasons why Oregon doesn't bring home as many medals as others:<BR/><BR/>1. All of our breweries don't compete.<BR/><BR/>2. The beers submitted, while great beers, don't fit the style categories as defined by the GABF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159907917269100682006-10-03T13:38:00.000-07:002006-10-03T13:38:00.000-07:00Whoops, I appear to have replied too quickly--you ...Whoops, I appear to have replied too quickly--you posted a second comment whilst I responded to your first. <BR/><BR/>But you got even more condescending! Look, I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who writes (<I>anonymyously</I>):<BR/><BR/><I>Apparently, the author may benefit from a better understanding of the judging and beer formulation/style profile processes.</I> <BR/><BR/>But even Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159907534259839092006-10-03T13:32:00.000-07:002006-10-03T13:32:00.000-07:00It's not a "problem," it's a regional style. Germ...It's not a "problem," it's a regional style. Germany had this relationship to Belgian beers for centuries, thinking they were degenerate offspring of the true and noble brew. <BR/><BR/>I would argue that the Northwest is the only region in the country to have developed a regional beer style. The result of this is that we drink far more beer than the rest of the country and have far more Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159907300252905132006-10-03T13:28:00.000-07:002006-10-03T13:28:00.000-07:00Understanding the problem, is the first step to mo...Understanding the problem, is the first step to moving forward. Bashing the GABF and their judges solves nothing. <BR/><BR/>Having judged for the GABF in the past, I can testify that while not all 100% of the judges are well seasoned BJCP judges,the GABF picks the BEST available judges, who have a worldly understanding of the world of beer and beer styles.<BR/><BR/>The Northwest, while it brews Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1159906186847305222006-10-03T13:09:00.000-07:002006-10-03T13:09:00.000-07:00While Oregon brews a lot of great beers.... There ...While Oregon brews a lot of great beers.... <BR/><BR/>There is ongoing problem with the Northwest being heavy handed on the hops. Yes! The rest of the country knows WE grow hops, but this doesn't mean every beer or beer style is supposed to be inundated with a truck load of hops... <BR/><BR/>If we list the the winners of this years GABF, we would see that Oregon kicked butt in the hoppy beer Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com