tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post2085713205854980136..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: Beer Tax PropagandaJeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-45822401093113492062009-03-22T09:10:00.000-07:002009-03-22T09:10:00.000-07:00Perhaps instead of a "sin tax," we start delegatin...Perhaps instead of a "sin tax," we start delegating a proactive responsiblity? Instead of parents saying "Drinking is bad, little Jonny." And then drinking a great american lager while watching cars go round and round (or any other stereotype) we suport a little alcohol awareness at home. Don't let your children's first experience with beer be a 40 of Old English that some guy bought for them, orAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-26174685740177367162009-03-18T08:09:00.000-07:002009-03-18T08:09:00.000-07:00Now I sound like Maude Flanders, too early for a b...Now I sound like Maude Flanders, too early for a beer?joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190744835642613081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-5484349081494416492009-03-18T00:50:00.000-07:002009-03-18T00:50:00.000-07:00http://www.theviewfromhome.com/oregonbreweries/Ore...http://www.theviewfromhome.com/oregonbreweries/<BR/><BR/>Oregon is known for their craft brew. The above link is a compilation of all of our breweries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-84829005833407385272009-03-18T00:09:00.000-07:002009-03-18T00:09:00.000-07:00Oh, what a giveaway!Oh, what a giveaway!Bill Nighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202318621724165312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-37739604239980456302009-03-17T20:19:00.000-07:002009-03-17T20:19:00.000-07:00Bill, I hope that is a joke. Whether you are a pa...Bill, I hope that is a joke. Whether you are a part of an organized religion or not, the outreach churches do for those in need is undeniable and is generally given regardless of the receiver's beliefs. If we're speaking from a place of taxes as a from of disincentive, taxing churches is counter productive because they step in and provide services that in many cases our government is unable to.joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190744835642613081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-54413146277676000862009-03-17T10:19:00.000-07:002009-03-17T10:19:00.000-07:00Mark wrote: Brewers and beer consumers should not ...Mark wrote: <I>Brewers and beer consumers should not be called upon to prop up the sagging receipts in Salem, but they should not imagine that they have no responsibility, either.</I><BR/><BR/>The entities that are shirking their responsibility are not taverns but <B>churches</B>, which have a completely free ride. Their revenues come from donations that are untaxed income, and they take up Bill Nighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202318621724165312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-51754027066400819432009-03-16T18:23:00.000-07:002009-03-16T18:23:00.000-07:00"It also assumes that excise taxes must be include..."It also assumes that excise taxes must be included as a price of doing business and marked up rather than added simply as a pass along."<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, when a bar receives an invoice for a keg it's listed as:<BR/><BR/>1 x 1/2bbl Sierra Nevada Pale @ $136<BR/><BR/>not <BR/><BR/>1 x 1/2bbl SNPA $90 (+$30 in tax)<BR/><BR/>The distributor/bar/retailer has no way of knowing what the freight Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04670279083285348299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-70323502421415032302009-03-16T16:06:00.000-07:002009-03-16T16:06:00.000-07:00Chris,I have run numbers similar to yours and with...Chris,<BR/><BR/>I have run numbers similar to yours and with similar conclusions. My point, which you illustrate quite well, is that it is not automatically a $6.00 pint, but is in a range. It also assumes that excise taxes must be included as a price of doing business and marked up rather than added simply as a pass along. Or, they must be marked up at the same rate as the other costs.<BR/>Don'tMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07522969360434191018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-89944190727216467902009-03-16T15:58:00.000-07:002009-03-16T15:58:00.000-07:00Jeff,It is quite appropriate for an industry to wo...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>It is quite appropriate for an industry to work with legislators to craft appropriate taxation. It's done all the time. What doesn't work is the current scenario where every time legislation is proposed, a massive show of strength is mounted to oppose it. I think the legislators show equally bad faith. They or appropriate committee members or their staff should be reaching out to Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07522969360434191018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-65818417196649842142009-03-16T14:45:00.000-07:002009-03-16T14:45:00.000-07:00"Anti-tax advocates should reveal their mathematic..."Anti-tax advocates should reveal their mathematical formulae for reaching $6.00/pint if they expect us to believe their numbers."<BR/><BR/>I'll break it down a little. Bear in mind that these are average numbers; different breweries, distributors, and bars have different cost structures that may affect the individual business.<BR/><BR/>~Brewery A produces a keg of beer. Their cost to produce Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04670279083285348299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-29678742452164656742009-03-16T14:40:00.000-07:002009-03-16T14:40:00.000-07:00Mark,It's worth noting that the anti-tax people ar...Mark,<BR/><BR/>It's worth noting that the anti-tax people aren't monolithic. Industrial brewers and craft brewers are in different situations. People like me don't give two figs what happens to Bud, but we care a great deal about micros. Personally, I could live with a hike in the beer tax if it were structured reasonably. <BR/><BR/>I think, though, that it's unreasonable to expect a targetedJeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-68232284779059957342009-03-16T14:14:00.000-07:002009-03-16T14:14:00.000-07:00I have read your original post and now your retort...I have read your original post and now your retort to Judy Cushing's guest slot in today's Oregonian. What seems clear is that all sides of this debate want things to be as cloudy as a good hefeweizen. The anti-tax side wants to conflate the effects of the tax in a sky-is-falling shriek.<BR/><BR/>The pro-tax side wishes to confuse the debate with phony per-glass costs and wrap the benefits in Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07522969360434191018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-90862886327218879202009-03-16T14:12:00.000-07:002009-03-16T14:12:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07522969360434191018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-63919790213779333402009-03-16T13:04:00.000-07:002009-03-16T13:04:00.000-07:00I have never seen a sixer of Widmer for over $9.I have never seen a sixer of Widmer for over $9.Matthew DiTullohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07468721391447871061noreply@blogger.com