tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post2280867649875187022..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: Evolution of the Macro-Micro, Goose Island ExampleJeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-32427507827453971512012-12-20T01:46:31.313-08:002012-12-20T01:46:31.313-08:00This is one of the most incredible blogs Ive read ...This is one of the most incredible blogs Ive read in a very long time. The amount of information in here is stunning, like you practically wrote the book on the subject.Optics Patent Attorneyhttp://www.integrityip.com/PatentNews/LaserPatentNews.aspxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-30096181879611040362011-08-03T15:40:50.890-07:002011-08-03T15:40:50.890-07:00Good BS call on the Widmer comment, Jeff. Widmer ...Good BS call on the Widmer comment, Jeff. Widmer is making plenty of good, new stuff. Deadlift is quite interesting and I can't think of another IPA that tastes quite like it. Why create new beers using new ingredients to expand beer/brewing boundaries if you are just trying to "put the enemy out of business?" Total BS.timdoggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-52598911956882678232011-08-03T13:39:03.473-07:002011-08-03T13:39:03.473-07:00Don't point to Widmer as some guiding light of...<i>Don't point to Widmer as some guiding light of multi-national craft alliance. I definitely avoid their beers. Its like "craft" beer for dummies.</i><br /><br />That's a silly comment. If you mean Hefeweizen, a beer now 25 years old and conceived at the dawn of American craft brewing, then yes, maybe it's not as radical as more recent beers. But Widmer has an imperial Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-22260144373184209992011-08-03T13:20:31.161-07:002011-08-03T13:20:31.161-07:00It is naive to think AB purchased GI for the beer....It is naive to think AB purchased GI for the beer. The beer industry has been dominated by one thing in the past 100 years. Brands. GI the brand was bought. SLowly but surely we'll be bombarded with 312 commercials, as they start using the standard assortment of 6-row barley, rice, and corn in all of the beers. <br /><br />The other factor is fear. The big guys are scared of the trend towardsRudeBoyBrewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742094571957647083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-83528755418545777202011-08-02T13:24:20.807-07:002011-08-02T13:24:20.807-07:00This is not AB's first time brewing a "mi...This is not AB's first time brewing a "micro" in one of it's larger breweries. A few years back Widmer's Hefeweizen was brewed at the Fairfield brewery. The volume demand did not support the effort and production was stopped. Kirin Ichiban is contract brewed at the Los Angeles brewery (look at the fine print on the label for proof). In each of these cases, the taste and BeerBrewingMamanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-69241566712225153642011-08-02T12:03:03.186-07:002011-08-02T12:03:03.186-07:00@The Beer Nut
You are absolutely correct that fro...@The Beer Nut<br /><br />You are absolutely correct that from what I can tell, AB has not messed with the formula: the beers still taste exactly the same, so boycotting them or whatever is premature and silly. <br /><br />I also think that it would be silly to expect that AB won't start cutting corners and degrading the beer, though.Flagon of Alehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03961940368880824313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-16448864411211049662011-08-02T08:58:01.855-07:002011-08-02T08:58:01.855-07:00The reality is that AB is all about money, not bee...The reality is that AB is all about money, not beer quality. They bought the Goose Island brand because they want to expand their craft beer portfolio. I doubt they will mess with the Goose Island beer. They need it. But they do not need the Chicago brewery because they can brew the Goose Island beers wherever they want now. I don't know how this will turn out. However, I suspect the people Pete Dunlophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17456380762400522665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-58766065476985542942011-08-02T02:30:50.827-07:002011-08-02T02:30:50.827-07:00That's got nothing to do with how the beer tas...That's got nothing to do with how the beer tastes, though, does it, Flagon?<br /><br />If they make the beer taste bad, well that's a whole different issue and unrelated to ownership.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-68356804258446013782011-08-01T23:28:17.240-07:002011-08-01T23:28:17.240-07:00Anheuser Busch's business philosophy has been ...Anheuser Busch's business philosophy has been famously and successfully ruthless. From completely anecdotal stories I've heard, so is their employment philosophy. That's usually the trade off working for a huge company though: get an amazing 401k/get fired at the drop of a hat. <br /><br />And as to the Beer nut's comment, I would add that only stupid beer drinkers would also Flagon of Alehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03961940368880824313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-19362224300959815882011-08-01T21:05:41.712-07:002011-08-01T21:05:41.712-07:00Also, beyond their arguably predatory marketing/bu...Also, beyond their arguably predatory marketing/business practices, I honestly don't know what kind of reputation AB has as an employer or as a corporate citizen, something that's well worth considering.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17259080486625766300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-81073418356917320012011-08-01T21:03:55.413-07:002011-08-01T21:03:55.413-07:00A perfectly fair point, all employees of multinati...A perfectly fair point, all employees of multinationals being locals of somewhere. That being said, the profits of the company no longer go to a local business owner which may make them less likely to be reinvested in the community. Beyond that, I suppose it's a gut feeling that may well not hold up to rigorous scrutiny. It's probably something like the indy music phenomenon. It's wayPaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17259080486625766300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-35534911620101753702011-08-01T20:41:39.226-07:002011-08-01T20:41:39.226-07:00Local is a funny term. I agree that I care less a...Local is a funny term. I agree that I care less about breweries that produce industrial beer at identical plants across the country. But the fact that Goose Island is now owned by A-B hasn't changed anything at the brewery level. "Local" people still work at the same brewery and make the same beer. For the barrel-aged line, the localness is especially rooted--you can't Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-81874288250473968452011-08-01T19:57:44.426-07:002011-08-01T19:57:44.426-07:00Is Goose Island dead to me? No, they still make so...Is Goose Island dead to me? No, they still make some very good beers that I enjoy quite a bit and can get for very affordable prices. That's nice. I also suspect that, especially with their purchase by AB-Inbev, they'll be available in a great many places (hopefully not just 312 - I don't do wheat beers) and it's always nice to have a safe option in even the least craft-friendly Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17259080486625766300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-75133738283536725032011-08-01T13:29:10.695-07:002011-08-01T13:29:10.695-07:00@Pete Dunlop
If a cursory Google search serves, AB...@Pete Dunlop<br />If a cursory Google search serves, AB-InBev own 32.25% of Craft Brewers Alliance [and hence 32.25% of Kona, Redhook, and Widmer Brewing Co.]. I believe AB-InBev own all of GIBC.<br /><br />@GIBC in Columbus, Ohio<br />I am in Columbus, Ohio, for a month and have been surveying craft beer availability. I find two or three style of GIBC beers in most grocery stores. I regard thisJack R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07625645308707849072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-382389347689927472011-08-01T12:18:45.553-07:002011-08-01T12:18:45.553-07:00Right now in Phoenix, the demand for 312 Urban Whe...Right now in Phoenix, the demand for 312 Urban Wheat Ale is exactly 0. Yet if I read the strategy here, 602 Urban Wheat Ale will soon be knocking of local product shelves via THE MACHINE.<br /><br />The price to be paid for Sofie and Bourbon County? Too high. This is a shit sandwich with more bread and more shit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05517937508601507605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-49638460184218125862011-08-01T10:07:09.358-07:002011-08-01T10:07:09.358-07:00The question is whether your preference is for &qu...The question is whether your preference is for "experimental" beer or the business behind it. The answer for me is a no brainer: I support craft brew not because it's a cutting edge product, but because I would rather support local, independent businesses.<br /><br />It doesn't hurt that most of the "experimental" beers I have had border on undrinkable. And I could Daniel Warnerhttp://cerealdisobedience.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-27099174821725997982011-08-01T09:52:57.594-07:002011-08-01T09:52:57.594-07:00I don't think you can automatically believe sp...I don't think you can automatically believe spin like this until it is proven. A-B owns a pretty decent stake in Widmer and it isn't dead to beer geeks. We'll see how it works out with Goose Island.Pete Dunlophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17456380762400522665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-39713463207282349062011-08-01T09:21:26.556-07:002011-08-01T09:21:26.556-07:00Only stupid ones.Only stupid ones.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.com