tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post3704318823634255709..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: A Tale of Two CitiesJeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-5932389342095886792010-04-17T16:13:00.827-07:002010-04-17T16:13:00.827-07:00As a former close-in SE resident whom is currently...As a former close-in SE resident whom is currently renting in Bethany, and about to complete building a house in Cedar Hills, I can support a thesis that there are different nuances between East & West sides of PDX. But after a near 3yr stint in the Hell of PHX, I must say that the comparison of the West Side to 'any other macro-strip-mall city' is unfair. Do I prefer to drink beer inASGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13348113012883073844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-40201120175797669082010-04-15T09:22:15.990-07:002010-04-15T09:22:15.990-07:00Oh, and the newest vintage kriek. It's pretty...Oh, and the newest vintage kriek. It's pretty sour this year, less fruity, and perhaps more one-dimensional than last year's extraordinary beer. (Truly one of the best beers I've had.) This year's does have a bit of nice pit character, which gives it an earthy, slightly bitter note. It will be interesting to see how it ages.Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-76007411351146658622010-04-15T09:20:38.835-07:002010-04-15T09:20:38.835-07:00I figured this would spark a bit of controversy wh...I figured this would spark a bit of controversy when I posted it, and to those of you defending the west side, your points are well-taken. Broad-brush comparisons are just that; they don't allow for much nuance. To add to the conversation, though:<br /><br />Kevin (kscaldef) is right about my slightly vague "Venn diagram" comment. The two cities do overlap in the downtown area (Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-8374757520886109132010-04-14T23:54:28.317-07:002010-04-14T23:54:28.317-07:00The Lodge may have a Portland address, but I belie...The Lodge may have a Portland address, but I believe it's in unincorporated Washington County. Kids there go to Beaverton schools. So for all intents and purposes it's really in Beaverton, not Portland.<br /><br />Oh, and I'm the biggest beer snob around and I've left soldiers at the bar at the Lodge. Really can't stand most of their beers, sour stuff not included.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-90981509021127428402010-04-14T15:50:08.512-07:002010-04-14T15:50:08.512-07:00Shawn, last I checked, the Raccoon Lodge was still...Shawn, last I checked, the Raccoon Lodge was still in Portland, but thanks for the geography lesson.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13362784734084548988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-91448926759064356672010-04-14T15:33:47.993-07:002010-04-14T15:33:47.993-07:00Not sure if you guys know this, but west of the Hi...Not sure if you guys know this, but west of the Hills is pretty much Beaverton. It seems like another city because it *IS* another city. (Yes, I'm aware that Portland doesn't necessarily end at the West Hills, but it's relatively close.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00097878173622170668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-48879734543693245602010-04-14T09:25:34.578-07:002010-04-14T09:25:34.578-07:00... this is why I'm always careful to say that...... this is why I'm always careful to say that my dividing line is the hills, not the river. Putting aside any value judgments, the west side of the hills really does feel like a different city. For what it's worth, I feel like Jeff said roughly the same thing, but perhaps a little confusingly in his "Venn diagram" comment.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13362784734084548988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-87983866010555705542010-04-14T09:10:36.261-07:002010-04-14T09:10:36.261-07:00Heh... I grew up about 500 ft from Raccoon Lodge.....Heh... I grew up about 500 ft from Raccoon Lodge... and yes, they are different sides of the river. But NW is more like SE, and NE and SW are miles apart. As you head towards intel, its all NEW. Hard to develop charm in 20 years. Give it time to get its feet wet... my grandmother homesteaded out on SE 82, so it does happen. <br /><br />Downtown is downtown, regardless of riverside.Dann Cutterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788286445033083370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-13391308606574994322010-04-13T23:49:59.840-07:002010-04-13T23:49:59.840-07:00Wow, this post really bothered me. Are we really m...Wow, this post really bothered me. Are we really making gross (and incorrect) generalizations about groups of people based on which side of the river they live? I didn't realize we were in the 1950s. There are plenty of neighborhoods on the westside that aren't about chain stores and suburbia. Like a previous poster mentioned, you can't include Beaverton and Hillsboro, since they Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00097878173622170668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-23041534155385710572010-04-13T16:50:57.275-07:002010-04-13T16:50:57.275-07:00@KeAloha,
I agree and thanks for mentioning this....@KeAloha, <br />I agree and thanks for mentioning this. I believe that half of my wonderment with the sour beers coming out of Cascade has to do with the rest of the portfolio.<br /><br />@Jeff,<br />How does the '10 Kriek compare to the fantastic '09?Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-43046675081185581022010-04-13T14:05:26.958-07:002010-04-13T14:05:26.958-07:00I know it's tempting to paint everything west ...I know it's tempting to paint everything west of the Willamette as sterile suburbia, but it's not particularly accurate. Sure it's accurate if you're talking about Beaverton or Tigard, but those are different cities, not part of Portland. Gresham and Milwaukie don't compare very favorably to the "cool" neighborhoods in SE/NE either. There are some great close-in JasonMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-81120051379523121402010-04-13T11:29:40.910-07:002010-04-13T11:29:40.910-07:00I have a weekly class on the westside currently, w...I have a weekly class on the westside currently, which has happily meant a weekly visit to the Raccoon Lodge. It's always an interesting experience eavesdropping on the majority of the patrons who seem oblivious to the gem in their midst. I'm also greatly looking forward to the barrel house opening, conveniently (hopefully) right about when my class ends and my motivation to venture Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13362784734084548988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-40233448798328416592010-04-13T11:24:18.848-07:002010-04-13T11:24:18.848-07:00As a former Close-In-Eastsider now living across t...As a former Close-In-Eastsider now living across the hill, I can attest to the differences in neighborhoods, but don't paint all of us with your broad brush. When I go out for beers, it is typically to Bailey's, Hopworks, Lucky Lab, etc. The one place that I will NOT go is the Raccoon Lodge. I don't care for fruit beers and the service is atrocious. They make your typical jfwellsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-39660585062437008322010-04-13T11:13:45.427-07:002010-04-13T11:13:45.427-07:00@ miracle minnie:
I hope my post didn't come ...@ miracle minnie:<br /><br />I hope my post didn't come off as seeming like I thought downtown was nothing but big national chains. I own an independent clothing store, and through my business, have made a lot of friends that own boutiques on both sides of the river. In fact, before I opened my store, I had considered moving into the space at the base of the Ace Hotel where Clyde Common is pedXerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02886282200590240335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-32336012112319823572010-04-13T11:00:50.835-07:002010-04-13T11:00:50.835-07:00I'd like to respectively mention that downtown...I'd like to respectively mention that downtown is a good union of both sides, and that my neighborhood in NW is more like the neighborhoods in SE than anything else further west. As a NW live-er, I go downtown and to the east side all the damned time (boyfriend lives NE), but I very very rarely get over the hills, and usually have no want to (hence my lack of familiarity of Raccoon Lodge). I DeathStar Detroithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00259847002684485646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-45257468976826141742010-04-13T10:45:31.326-07:002010-04-13T10:45:31.326-07:00I think you are right about the fact that no one w...I think you are right about the fact that no one would leave a pint behind. I am surprised they did over there even!<br /><br />It would be nice to not even have to hear Palin's name thanks. Even us Conservative Classical Liberals don't like to hear that name.<br /><br />But brother... I look forward to some Kreik.DOSiRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08406354869646971733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-86185433478912602842010-04-13T10:33:09.570-07:002010-04-13T10:33:09.570-07:00A few weeks ago, my wife's parents sent us a g...A few weeks ago, my wife's parents sent us a gift card for P.F. Changs. We live in Mt. Tabor, and work on lower east burnside, so we almost never leave south east (and because of that, pretty much only visit smaller, locally owned businesses). After we closed the store on Sunday, we decided to walk across the bridge to use the gift card. When we got there, there was a 20 minute wait, and pedXerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02886282200590240335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-73624397009376536732010-04-13T10:15:00.338-07:002010-04-13T10:15:00.338-07:00Beer Blogger.. Check
Red Sox Fan.. Check
Previous ...Beer Blogger.. Check<br />Red Sox Fan.. Check<br />Previous Cabby... Check<br /><br />Man, the similarities are getting eerie. I'm worried I'm going to have some Fight Club realization that this whole time I am Jeff Alworth.<br /><br />Any chance Angelo was a former Cabby as well?DA Beershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592377918990052792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-39317284459618549722010-04-13T10:08:34.199-07:002010-04-13T10:08:34.199-07:00And here I thought "the river divide" ha...And here I thought "the river divide" had to do with being a Couve-ite vs. a bona fide Portlander. Never thought about breaking it down by the Willamette, but I guess that would be the condition of the psyche of a Washingtonian. Micro-spaces. Interesting.Kaisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992926963259416729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-32844490625234302712010-04-13T10:00:22.766-07:002010-04-13T10:00:22.766-07:00"No one should ever stray a Ron Gansberg pint..."No one should ever stray a Ron Gansberg pint"<br /><br />Oh, there are many standard Raccoon Lodge beers I'd leave behind due to infections. I stick to the ones that are intentionally sour now.KeAlohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00193919001451657188noreply@blogger.com