tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post3784551898408316055..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: When Naming Goes AwryJeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-47363091782135883682014-01-21T13:53:25.839-08:002014-01-21T13:53:25.839-08:00Honestly this whole discussion seems way off the m...Honestly this whole discussion seems way off the mark to me. I am acquainted wit the owners of Hop Valley and know for a fact that they would never allow or condone any such 'street name' for their beer. In contrast to what was reported here, they are actually some of the most kind and caring people I have ever met. They support more than 30 non-profits and special events in our Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-28351265630279200762014-01-19T07:39:56.455-08:002014-01-19T07:39:56.455-08:00I hope that Hop Valley sues the F out of you, Jeff...I hope that Hop Valley sues the F out of you, Jeff, for promoting fallacious here say. Why would Hop Valley answer to you a low life. Give us your "evidence". Our should I go your route and advance a rumor that I was told a competing brewery in town, begins with an N, initiated the Mouth Rape BS. And no, I don't know anyone associated with Hop Valley, I just hate stupidity and Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04831675512613174356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-60703247852878244182014-01-18T16:08:07.663-08:002014-01-18T16:08:07.663-08:00Did you know the meaning of the " Rule of Thu...Did you know the meaning of the " Rule of Thumb"? The phrase came from beating your wife with a stick or weapon as long as it was smaller than the width of a man's thumb. Seriously, look it up. Not to say that ever using the word rape is ok when naming anything or in a public context, but there are offensive context everywhere if you look deep enough to discredit the author. Just Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-9049993929677246672014-01-17T16:03:42.195-08:002014-01-17T16:03:42.195-08:00I think this whole thing highlights how sales and ... I think this whole thing highlights how sales and distro are the douchiest parts of the business.Yes, it really was named that originally. But wasn't sent out as such. How would an account find out? Their sales guy or their distributor told them, because they knew (clearly, correctly) that this account owner would think it was funny. Such a boys' club. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-33149752837274061162014-01-17T14:09:55.817-08:002014-01-17T14:09:55.817-08:00Jim, murder, assassination and assault are not pri...Jim, murder, assassination and assault are not primarily directed at one sub-set of the population. They are violent and horrible, but we're all in the same boat. Rape is a violent and horrible act primarily directed at women, children and others who are powerless to stop it. "Rape culture" is real and stupid, offensive beer names don't help.<br /><br />People have every right @penis_herohttps://twitter.com/penis_heronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-88596197588995096792014-01-17T13:26:55.012-08:002014-01-17T13:26:55.012-08:00the term "mouth rape" originated in male...the term "mouth rape" originated in male prisons. What does that have to do with woman?this isn't a beer blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-78576361905492893912014-01-17T13:25:35.541-08:002014-01-17T13:25:35.541-08:00Hop Valley has addressed this on Facebook and pull...Hop Valley has addressed this on Facebook and pulled the beer from the market.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00924761759282873423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-20440938133895348182014-01-17T12:09:24.938-08:002014-01-17T12:09:24.938-08:00Hi, Beervana:
I just called Hop Valley, and they ...Hi, Beervana:<br /><br />I just called Hop Valley, and they directed me to their Facebook page, where they just posted an apology, that while denying this was ever the name of the beer ("urban legend"), did say that they instructed their distributors to pull the beer and apologized.<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/HopValley/posts/10151826286067046?stream_ref=10Nate Ottohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06488791026991936169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-11144218698952989712014-01-17T11:44:23.664-08:002014-01-17T11:44:23.664-08:00We have a series of draft beers named Mr. Orange, ...We have a series of draft beers named Mr. Orange, Mr. Black and Mr. IPA. It has come to our attention that an urban myth and street name has emerged surrounding Mr. IPA. We take this very seriously and are sensitive to these issues. Accordingly, we have pulled the product and are instructing our distributors to replace any remaining kegs with other offerings. We apologize for any harm or Hop Valley Brewing Co.http://hopvalleybrewing.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-332651472017876952014-01-17T10:45:35.891-08:002014-01-17T10:45:35.891-08:00the origin of "mouth rape" comes from ma...the origin of "mouth rape" comes from male prisons. Does anyone care about those victims? or do only woman on the outside count?this blog gets uglier by the daynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-27383640502664561912014-01-17T07:30:21.066-08:002014-01-17T07:30:21.066-08:00"Rape is a violent crime no doubt. I think yo..."Rape is a violent crime no doubt. I think you can find a shitload of other beer names (esp IPAs) that refer to murder, assassination, assault, etc. Do you think these are less serious crimes? "<br /><br />I don't know, do murder victims get told they were "asking for it"? Do they get told that most murder victims are liars? That it was there fault for walking home late atAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-24253769786135200002014-01-16T21:22:48.103-08:002014-01-16T21:22:48.103-08:00Hi Jim,
I'm curious about the origin of the n...Hi Jim,<br /><br />I'm curious about the origin of the name. The first time I saw it mentioned on Twitter, it had the name Mouth Raper. At that time, I checked out its reviews on Untapped and they were all under that name.<br /><br />But now that name has been changed to "Mr. IPA", although it still comes up when you do a search for the "off-the-grid street" name.<br /><Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11555164556227494821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-44383190587838874372014-01-16T16:38:01.286-08:002014-01-16T16:38:01.286-08:00Jeff has been working the "say something cont...Jeff has been working the "say something controversial and see who bites" angle for over a year now. And, yes, technically they are personal attacks. The fact that many of these statements are factually incorrect is telling.Where's the truth?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-23100530807610833912014-01-16T01:44:02.791-08:002014-01-16T01:44:02.791-08:00A comment from your friendly, local Beermonger her...A comment from your friendly, local Beermonger here...<br /><br />I'm not sure which bartender you spoke to, but the info you cited is incorrect. On the bill of lading (we call them invoices in the biz) the beer was referred to, IIRC, by the price tier. For example, 1/2 barrels of a high ABV, one-off beer may be referred to as "HV 1/2 BBL TIER 3" etc.. and I'm also pretty sure Jim Bonomo aka GoodbyeOhiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06355938728009455030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-35159585450431933332014-01-15T10:14:01.348-08:002014-01-15T10:14:01.348-08:00A chili beer with the name of anal rape would get ...A chili beer with the name of anal rape would get a chuckle from me before I took offense. I don't think Hop Valley was trivializing a brutal act of sexual violence and was simply playing on a term for unwanted violation of someones senses. Using the term rape in the sense of a sensory violation is something I hear my clients in the mental health arena throw around alot so it's not as bigJaredhttp://www.theweeklybrew.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-28208624039212958832014-01-15T08:16:27.133-08:002014-01-15T08:16:27.133-08:00Back to the original point, yes, calling your beer...Back to the original point, yes, calling your beer "mouth raper" is douchey. Everything offends someone, but a beer named after sexual violence -- not sure how that's supposed to be funny or clever. What's next -- a mixed twelve pack of Mouth Raper IPA and Anal Rape Porter?Jim Fnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-90407920154920291472014-01-14T18:08:30.457-08:002014-01-14T18:08:30.457-08:00Brian, correct about douche. I didn't use it ...Brian, correct about douche. I didn't use it and probably wouldn't personally--but there's a big difference between using it in a tweet and putting in on a tap handle. Context!Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-26039275319445183132014-01-14T17:57:22.323-08:002014-01-14T17:57:22.323-08:00Yeah, Schmaltz get's a pass (probably) - I sho...Yeah, Schmaltz get's a pass (probably) - I should have finished that thought. I wasn't bringing it up as a negative example - just an example.<br /><br />His book (Jeremy Cowan's book) "Craft Beer Bar Mitzvah" is a fairly interesting read and he's a heck of an entertainer. He speaks about using the beer line as a vehicle to promote Judaism and give back to the Jewish Alex Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06828209166096192814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-33045088425310605402014-01-14T17:54:49.830-08:002014-01-14T17:54:49.830-08:00We did have a brewery in So Cal called "Donke...We did have a brewery in So Cal called "Donkey Punch" which has since been changed. Not sure how they got it approved in the first place? Jessica Ricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06883113384815186771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-51135637361537852072014-01-14T17:34:06.013-08:002014-01-14T17:34:06.013-08:00Some might say that your (and plenty of others) us...Some might say that your (and plenty of others) use of the word douche can be considered offensive too. Just because its more widely used in a certain way doesn't mean we should all be willing to consider our word choices. Should change them necessarily? Perhaps not. But just think about it for a minute or three.Brian Swisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05784652378997253141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-44127015033205898602014-01-14T08:46:27.198-08:002014-01-14T08:46:27.198-08:00I think you're right, Beer Nut. Language is s...I think you're right, Beer Nut. Language is so contextual. When we focus on only the words, we miss the meaning. Probably more ink has been devoted to the n-word than any other in the US, and so much of it avoids looking at the meaning of the communication. It would be VERY easy to harness anything Jewish and make it anti-Semitic. But when a Jew uses the language, imagery, and history toJeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-47911008610470254402014-01-14T06:43:48.672-08:002014-01-14T06:43:48.672-08:00Don't Schmaltz get a pass for being on the ins...Don't Schmaltz get a pass for being on the inside pissing out, as it were?The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-3341933543969974322014-01-14T06:01:52.073-08:002014-01-14T06:01:52.073-08:00Well written Jeff, and thanks for bringing the top...Well written Jeff, and thanks for bringing the topic to light. I shudder to think that the smaller breweries need focus groups to green-light names but jeeze. I think the 7-year old daughter test is a good one.<br /><br />Switching gears to religious names - Schmaltz jumps to mind. Alex Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06828209166096192814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-16559054112065334462014-01-13T14:49:05.322-08:002014-01-13T14:49:05.322-08:00Err, to clarify: *sensory* assaults of any kind ar...Err, to clarify: *sensory* assaults of any kind are colloquially referred to as "rape" nowadays. Sexual roots notwithstanding, the connotation is in line with activists' definition of rape as what is primarily an act of violence. I don't think there was any other intention.<br /><br />However in formal use, it isn't always wise to use what the kids are saying these days. A Champshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619189146219981885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-53527028682022590392014-01-13T14:19:29.886-08:002014-01-13T14:19:29.886-08:00Depending on how you keep score, Mouth Raper compe...Depending on how you keep score, Mouth Raper competes with and perhaps even tops Burnside's Kali-Ma as the most innocent, but nonetheless horrible idea for a beer name.<br /><br />That said, it's unfair to single out Hop Valley for "Double D" when blondes are a large, natural (ahem) target for sexualized names. Bombshell Blonde, Trashy Blonde, Sweaty Betty Blonde, Bikini Blonde,Champshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03619189146219981885noreply@blogger.com