tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post4308996149640448475..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: Old American Bocks: A Study in ChangeJeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-52039771187951236312013-03-14T06:23:26.677-07:002013-03-14T06:23:26.677-07:00Yuengling Bock disappeared between the late 1970&#...Yuengling Bock disappeared between the late 1970's and 2009 - so isn't really a "survivor" as such. Supposedly, Dick Yuengling Sr. once told a drinker at the Yuengling brewery bar who inquired about it's disappearance that their final version of their bock was merely a blend of Porter and Premium - and proceeded to make one. <br /><br />Their "new" bock is a new JessKiddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13957063630653714731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-37049564721967438102013-03-13T17:21:41.874-07:002013-03-13T17:21:41.874-07:00Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the boc...Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the bock styles as brewed in Germany--of which there are many US examples. Just the strange old "bocks" that are caramel-colored 4.5% beers. Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-35442702366169073902013-03-13T16:12:15.434-07:002013-03-13T16:12:15.434-07:00Re Bock as a sustainable beer style.
I was remind...Re Bock as a sustainable beer style. <br />I was reminded today that Gordon Bierch Brewing Co. produce bock beers. They have three variants on their beer list; Blonde Bock, Maibock, WinterBock. <br /><br />They produced ~40 kbbls in 2011. Their beer list is predominated by lagers. <br /><br />Perhaps, not your grandfather's bock; but, Gordon Bierch bocks will likely be available for the Jack R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07625645308707849072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-17880228965769416822013-03-12T19:11:04.346-07:002013-03-12T19:11:04.346-07:00Jeff - I was only commenting on Shiner Bock itself...Jeff - I was only commenting on Shiner Bock itself, which hardly seems endangered. I hesitate to bring the BJCP guidelines into the conversation (they <em>are</em> meant to be used only at homebrewing competitions), but they classify Shiner Bock as a dark American lager. And bock is a totally separate category.<br /><br />But to the importance of the "real" bock - it's a style a lotStan Hieronymushttp://www.appellationbeer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-32372113133527994602013-03-12T11:06:42.658-07:002013-03-12T11:06:42.658-07:00Shiner Bock was my gateway beer in the mid-80s. W...Shiner Bock was my gateway beer in the mid-80s. We marvelled that the cheapest beer on tap at the UT student union was also the best-tasting.<br /><br />Of course, at some point Gambrinus bought Spoetzl and quickly raised the price as a way to signal quality. It worked! And a small-town brewery that was at risk of passing away found new life.<br /><br />I love that beer, but I'm not sure Bill Nighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202318621724165312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-43915399244658434442013-03-12T10:52:56.377-07:002013-03-12T10:52:56.377-07:00I suppose it depends on how long-term viability is...I suppose it depends on how long-term viability is defined. If you're suggesting that Bock can't re-assume its place as America's (distant) No. 2 beer style, then I certainly agree. <br /><br />But you don't need me to tell you it's a different world now. Many beer styles roam the terrain, and many co-exist peacefully. You might say that Genny and Yuengling Bocks are in fast Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01287873442588114879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-39161712144442455622013-03-12T10:41:10.584-07:002013-03-12T10:41:10.584-07:00I do regret using Shiner as the example, though, a...I do regret using Shiner as the example, though, as we're now debating a toss-off line at the end of the post rather than the post itself. Ten years blogging and you'd think I'd have learned that lesson by now.Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-78851046057914283182013-03-12T10:38:22.198-07:002013-03-12T10:38:22.198-07:00Stan, I'm focusing on the demise of this runty...Stan, I'm focusing on the demise of this runty style, which for the purposes of this discussion I'll call old American bocks. As Chris points out, except for Shiner, the others are mostly already in fast retreat. (I don't know what Huber's status is, but even as recently as the early 90s when I lived in Wisconsin, it was quite an important beer, and I know it's not anymore.Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-67154341881958217232013-03-12T10:24:45.712-07:002013-03-12T10:24:45.712-07:00Agree with Stan. I think our deep, beery introspec...Agree with Stan. I think our deep, beery introspection can sometimes be prohibitive when it comes to fully grasping the reality of the beer market and drinking trends.<br /><br />Stan already mentioned the success of Shiner Bock, but as for Yuengling and Genny Bocks, they're seasonal products that are hardly relied upon to be the anchor of each brewery. Just novelty spring beers that people Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-2836048118055855342013-03-12T09:40:09.239-07:002013-03-12T09:40:09.239-07:00You are forecasting the demise of Shiner Bock?
Sp...You are forecasting the demise of Shiner Bock?<br /><br />Spoetzel Brewery production was 36,000 barrels in 1990 and is more than a <em>half million</em> now. And Bock accounts for more than 80% of production. <br /><br />Somebody seems to be drinking it. Stan Hieronymushttp://www.appellationbeer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-70693252839669539812013-03-12T09:34:18.873-07:002013-03-12T09:34:18.873-07:00In the UK, the corresponding suspicion was that da...In the UK, the corresponding suspicion was that dark mild contained 'slops'. (There's some justification for that, too...)Baileyhttp://boakandbailey.comnoreply@blogger.com