tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post6165436458216336184..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: The Unbearable Whiteness of Craft BrewingJeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-7705792640412228032013-09-14T10:18:55.058-07:002013-09-14T10:18:55.058-07:00I'm sure there are multiple reasons for this, ...I'm sure there are multiple reasons for this, with socioeconomic status being one of the most important. Another factor is probably regional-homebrewing was only legalized in Alabama and Mississippi in the last year, and craft brewing generally lags in the southeast anyway due to blue laws and probably a lack of brewing culture. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Bartimaeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04041170926124714639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-70840323204574556672013-09-13T23:53:06.253-07:002013-09-13T23:53:06.253-07:00I am truly delighted to read this post regarding C...I am truly delighted to read this post regarding Craft brewing, which contains plenty of helpful facts, thanks for providing these data. Great article, exactly what I needed.Beerbox Hathttp://www.beerboxhat.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-72615341461312799512013-09-13T13:16:13.746-07:002013-09-13T13:16:13.746-07:00It's interesting to read your thread here - I ...It's interesting to read your thread here - I got blasted for responding to Rod D's post about the NPR story and his "Who cares" if there aren't significant representations of minorities in craft beer on his American Conservative site. *sigh* <br /><br />http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-perfect-npr-story-beer/<br /><br />Thanks for throwing this out there Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02413670750612352686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-5674908788723656952013-09-13T12:36:21.726-07:002013-09-13T12:36:21.726-07:00What Portland needs is a few chicharias!What Portland needs is a few chicharias!Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-91723441825723646772013-09-13T12:27:12.530-07:002013-09-13T12:27:12.530-07:00Is this really a race issue at all? How many poor...Is this really a race issue at all? How many poor people drink craft beer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-90439730054238821272013-09-13T12:13:42.200-07:002013-09-13T12:13:42.200-07:00There's a difference between beer itself, whic...There's a difference between beer itself, which clearly everyone loves, and America's overwhelmingly white, male, Belgian, German, and English-based craft beer "culture". Just because there are extant ancient brewing traditions in Asian countries doesn't have any particular bearing in the today's brewpub boom. I don't know of any hot new chicha spots that have openedAdriennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913785063382708903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-38195482026286210902013-09-13T12:03:35.301-07:002013-09-13T12:03:35.301-07:00It's a shame this lighthearted yet interesting...It's a shame this lighthearted yet interesting observation about the craft beer community had to veer into a minefield of reactive sensitivities. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-40601490296500075212013-09-13T11:34:10.424-07:002013-09-13T11:34:10.424-07:00Steve,
I appreciate the discussion, too, and I...Steve,<br /><br />I appreciate the discussion, too, and I'll try to be reasonable here. The first question you ask is the easier: "Does that make it OK because you are poking fun at yourself?" <br /><br />Yes it does. Race is not neutral, and we can't pluck it out of context and discuss it as a Platonic ideal. Poking fun at one's own race is, especially in America, a Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-79852398407232945002013-09-13T11:13:08.010-07:002013-09-13T11:13:08.010-07:00Adrienne, on the world brewing thing--and I realiz...Adrienne, on the world brewing thing--and I realize that I'm now descending into pedantry--there are extant traditions that go back millenia. Chicha has been brewed since 150 BCE <a href="http://beervana.blogspot.com/2013/08/from-cusco-to-portland-chichas-epic.html" rel="nofollow">and still is</a>. Africans have made sorghum beer since 400 BCE <a href="http://beervana.blogspot.com/2011/08/Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-80004202918935513562013-09-13T10:48:28.056-07:002013-09-13T10:48:28.056-07:00I agree - can anyone point to a legal barrier that...I agree - can anyone point to a legal barrier that keeps people who aren't white from heading to their local packy and picking a 4 pack of Old Rasputin?<br /><br />Where's the outrage about the lower number of white players in the NBA?<br /><br />Why is this an issue? Have non-whites mentioned that they're being discriminated against when it comes to access to craft beer? Either as a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-41574225066560529902013-09-13T09:55:57.600-07:002013-09-13T09:55:57.600-07:00Jeff – I am not arguing with the facts. I agree th...Jeff – I am not arguing with the facts. I agree that the demographics points you are making are accurate. <br /><br />There are two points that I am taking issue with. One I already mentioned. The quotes I pulled out above are racist. Yeah, sure, it is trying to be humorous but it is still putting down a race by using sweeping generalizations and making an entire people the butt of a joke. Ok, Steve Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-88230771528228266352013-09-13T09:13:01.337-07:002013-09-13T09:13:01.337-07:00Also, totally agree with you there that the fact t...Also, totally agree with you there that the fact that people don't seem to think it's a problem that nearly everyone employed in the craft beer industry is overwhelmingly white. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that 84% of entrepreneurs happen to be white and male as well (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/12/Adriennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913785063382708903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-38907693663331859412013-09-13T09:05:42.888-07:002013-09-13T09:05:42.888-07:00When I say "beer culture in Asia", I'...When I say "beer culture in Asia", I'm not talking about ancient Sumerian peoples or non-hoppy beers fermented with spit. I'm talking about what you're referring to as modern American "craft beer culture" which is definitely more English, Belgian and German-based. I mean, Hornsey's History of Beer and Brewing doesn't even have a chapter on Asia or cover Adriennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913785063382708903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-82889722282010647782013-09-13T09:04:37.517-07:002013-09-13T09:04:37.517-07:00Mr. Murphy, I think you're reading a lot more ...Mr. Murphy, I think you're reading a lot more into this than I am. There are some basic facts here--the demographics of craft brewing. There's no self-flagellation involved in noting it. I have many times noted with similar regret that craft brewing is overwhelmingly masculine, too. Interestingly, no one reacted negatively to that.<br /><br />Steve, the post's title is a play on Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-67804802285146970332013-09-12T19:43:35.125-07:002013-09-12T19:43:35.125-07:00Jeff - Sorry, I need to add a little bit more here...Jeff - Sorry, I need to add a little bit more here.<br /><br />The quote that you say is the best explanation states: that white people “try to avoid beers like Budweiser, Labatt’s, Molson, Coors, and Heineken.” WTF? Are you serious? And “Being able to walk into a bar and order a beer that no one has heard of makes white people feel good”. Man I am seriously offended. Please tell me this is a Steve Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-23676724350810381542013-09-12T19:36:19.478-07:002013-09-12T19:36:19.478-07:00Jeff – do you care to elaborate on your use of the...Jeff – do you care to elaborate on your use of the word “unbearable” in the title? Perhaps it is just baiting? Subject of race + sweeping generalizations + baiting titles = Fox news here you come, eh?<br /><br />Honestly, Jeff, I’m not trying to be a jerk here. I have read this blog for five years mainly because I think it has quality. I truly am lost a little bit on this post. What is the main Steve Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-24406419165425319242013-09-12T18:41:54.123-07:002013-09-12T18:41:54.123-07:00Sanjay, nice.
Adrienne, folks have been doing tr...Sanjay, nice. <br /><br />Adrienne, folks have been doing traditional beer in Africa, Asia, and the Americas for millennia (and still do!). <br /><br />Fplus, thanks. (Titles are not my best thing, usually.)Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-15228439751942782802013-09-12T16:39:54.302-07:002013-09-12T16:39:54.302-07:00I wrote something about this back in 2006; perhaps...I wrote something about this back in 2006; perhaps the theories, echoed in some of the comments, still hold true in 2013.... http://hedonistbeerjive.blogspot.com/2006/06/is-beer-snobbery-whitest-hobby-since.htmlJayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13694198056501050518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-75056286334400702492013-09-12T16:06:55.868-07:002013-09-12T16:06:55.868-07:00This is a case in point of the fact that what cons...This is a case in point of the fact that what constitutes dorkiness is often in the eye of the be(er)holder. I love the idea of a beer journal and have been wanting to do that myself, but if someone were to call me out about my dork levels rising, I'd have a hard time arguing. <br /><br />On the subject of having esoteric interests often associated with geekiness... way to work in a Kundera Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-76046898646465815742013-09-12T14:02:56.737-07:002013-09-12T14:02:56.737-07:00How incredibly Portlandia of you. BMC is consumed ...How incredibly Portlandia of you. BMC is consumed by masses of white people that don't know a damned thing about craft beer. Craft beer is a very small percentage of overall beer consumption. Craft beer is descended from European brewing tradition. Most of the very small percentage of people who consume craft beer happen to be (gasp!) descended from Europeans.<br />Get back to your Mr. Murphynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-78009096699524480022013-09-12T11:47:45.186-07:002013-09-12T11:47:45.186-07:00Yes, it's a predominate white male product but...Yes, it's a predominate white male product but we females are gaining stride in our consumption of beer. My palate has grown since moving to Colorado when before hand I liked just Guinness. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03509332883562511209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-89091840357100960962013-09-12T11:45:22.210-07:002013-09-12T11:45:22.210-07:00Not everyone on the planet makes beer. Beer is tra...Not everyone on the planet makes beer. Beer is traditionally made in cooler (white) countries, where it can ferment at cool temps--just look at how hard it was to start brewing in CA when steam beer became a thing. Brewing didn't really get started in places like Asia until European brewing technology made it a lot easier. <br /><br />There just isn't as long a brewing history in places Adriennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05913785063382708903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-6181564246795136572013-09-12T11:44:07.348-07:002013-09-12T11:44:07.348-07:00I attended the Beer Bloggers Conference in Boston ...I attended the Beer Bloggers Conference in Boston earlier this summer, and noticed the same thing. Check out the crowd in this picture and see if you can find me. <br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=596223790421739&set=a.596223667088418.1073741886.175359919174797&type=1&theaterThe Not So Professional Beer Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509910363270635578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-79459108468277771522013-09-12T11:38:22.125-07:002013-09-12T11:38:22.125-07:00Wow, different people like different things! This...Wow, different people like different things! This is amazing!KeAlohahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00193919001451657188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-14395481420041655492013-09-12T11:24:14.837-07:002013-09-12T11:24:14.837-07:00Well, most white beer drinkers in America drink pr...Well, most white beer drinkers in America drink precisely those mass market brands you refer to. Moreover, in Europe, we have little interest in rare beer. I don't think there's a single "whale" in the UK.<br /><br />I'm a little weary of the idea that it's only white people who like things that are sophisticated, high quality, intellectual or whatever, as so strongly Chrisnoreply@blogger.com