tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post823702543495454145..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: From the Oregonian: Sad and SadderJeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-3949645424884356392011-09-02T19:19:36.769-07:002011-09-02T19:19:36.769-07:00re: 'I probably won't taste a single Orego...re: 'I probably won't taste a single Oregon beer when I'm in Denver in a month'<br /><br />But, Jeff, you could if you choose to. <br /><br />A crucial assessment of Oregon beer availability at Liquor Mart [an exceptional liquor, wine, and beer emporium in Boulder] yielded the following list of Oregon beers breweries with the number of styles available.<br /><br />Bridgeport, 05Jack R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07625645308707849072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-82431167893698017492011-09-02T15:31:49.981-07:002011-09-02T15:31:49.981-07:00@Soggy: I also know a couple of Oregonian writers,...@Soggy: I also know a couple of Oregonian writers, and I don't want to disparage them.<br /><br />But the newspaper as a whole is pretty lame, IMO. Lately the way they have jettisoned the inverted pyramid on straightforward crime stories -- in favor of very dramatic, punch-line-at-the-end storytelling -- is indicative of how they are now just trying to sell copies instead of trying to be a Bill Nighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202318621724165312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-17468943800353511822011-09-02T15:01:02.778-07:002011-09-02T15:01:02.778-07:00Jeff, I hear you. In the O's defense, a headli...Jeff, I hear you. In the O's defense, a headline on a George Will column is a pretty trivial example of their journalism. The O isn't perfect, of course, but they have some brilliant journalists whom I've had the pleasure of learning from.<br /><br />I would expect Portland to hold its newspaper to a high standard, and it does, but it's worth remembering that The O is probably oneSoggy Coasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14646016892555782239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-85269380065134768442011-09-02T09:47:21.243-07:002011-09-02T09:47:21.243-07:00Soggy, my eyes are pretty wide open--but this is a...Soggy, my eyes are pretty wide open--but this is an Oregon blog, which I shamelessly lard with local chauvinism. I probably won't taste a single Oregon beer when I'm in Denver in a month. <br /><br />And you shouldn't take this post as a shot against CO; it's a shot against the Oregonian's editors.Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-13462869429120138682011-09-01T22:51:33.759-07:002011-09-01T22:51:33.759-07:00Good stuff! Thanks!Good stuff! Thanks!Brewmancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16046122596566950185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-57957990171194869452011-09-01T20:59:05.628-07:002011-09-01T20:59:05.628-07:00The whole "cider" angle is exactly why J...The whole "cider" angle is exactly why Johnny Appleseed was such a controversial character at the time!Sud Savanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03025281063940792238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-66196227350108917902011-09-01T20:03:54.888-07:002011-09-01T20:03:54.888-07:00@Jack R
I didn't miss the point at all. Will ...@Jack R <br />I didn't miss the point at all. Will is generally a hack. The Big O is in decline and now infested with hacks. They go together.Pete Dunlophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17456380762400522665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-15782569097454745962011-09-01T19:40:17.311-07:002011-09-01T19:40:17.311-07:00Jeff, I do hope your upcoming visit for GABF opens...Jeff, I do hope your upcoming visit for GABF opens your eyes a touch. I'll cheerfully admit that Oregon tops Colorado for overall beer quality, but we do have some nice beers here.Soggy Coasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14646016892555782239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-24562690661868068952011-09-01T15:36:29.275-07:002011-09-01T15:36:29.275-07:00RE: Andrew P
RE: Pete D
You may have missed a subt...RE: Andrew P<br />RE: Pete D<br />You may have missed a subtle point.<br /><br />Apparently, it was an Oregonian staffer who added the subtitle: 'Governor or Beervana' to Mr. Wills' Commentary.<br /><br />The offending subtitle appeared in neither the Denver <i>Post</i> nor the Boulder <i>Daily Camera</i>.Jack R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07625645308707849072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-25079473666074114782011-09-01T13:31:05.683-07:002011-09-01T13:31:05.683-07:00Will is a hack. I stopped reading his drivel a lon...Will is a hack. I stopped reading his drivel a long time ago. He should do commentary on FOX...maybe he does and I don't know it. Did he write the foreword to Cheney's book? Oh, sorry, that was Satan.<br /><br />Colorado isn't the only place that wants the Beervana title. Asheville is in the hunt, as well. Am I wrong?<br /><br />The Big O will fall by the wayside soon enough. The Pete Dunlophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17456380762400522665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-62886866115779966822011-09-01T12:18:20.349-07:002011-09-01T12:18:20.349-07:00I emailed Mr. Will a terse note to Google "Be...I emailed Mr. Will a terse note to Google "Beervana" and see what comes up.Andrew Plambecknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-46121525041256555302011-09-01T12:16:49.740-07:002011-09-01T12:16:49.740-07:00Well, I'd gloat...but no, I can't. Portlan...Well, I'd gloat...but no, I can't. Portland IS Beervana, and George Will has become a buffoon.@ColoBeerMannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-69301211392328022342011-09-01T11:43:40.393-07:002011-09-01T11:43:40.393-07:00Jack: Same for the Denver Post, no "Beervana&...Jack: Same for the Denver Post, no "Beervana". Here's <a href="http://www.its-pub-night.com/2011/09/governor-of-beervana.html" rel="nofollow">my rant</a> about it.Bill Nighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202318621724165312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-8541909625718629842011-09-01T11:40:02.928-07:002011-09-01T11:40:02.928-07:00Patrick, you should have linked to the exchange--i...Patrick, you should have linked to <a href="http://oregonecon.blogspot.com/2011/08/mea-culpa.html" rel="nofollow">the exchange</a>--it's priceless. After very mild (and inoffensive) insouciance directed at a real phenomenon, the editor of the Oregonian comes on to miscorrect you and offer genuinely offensive comments ("A blog is a blog, but please report before commenting.")<br /><Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-75618878579798041022011-09-01T11:39:30.801-07:002011-09-01T11:39:30.801-07:00Will's commentary "Colorado's purple ...Will's commentary "Colorado's purple brew" is subtitled: 'Commentary' vis-a-vis 'Governor of Beervana' in today's Boulder, Colo., Daily Camera [newspaper].Jack R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07625645308707849072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-60232803368269200812011-09-01T11:33:06.748-07:002011-09-01T11:33:06.748-07:00Jeff, I was going to say that America was actually...Jeff, I was going to say that America was actually more a cider country, than anything else. But someone beat me to it ;)Hoptopiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11102234844484024662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-60159909448270510952011-09-01T11:26:22.021-07:002011-09-01T11:26:22.021-07:00I just got scolded by Peter Bhatia (perhaps rightl...I just got scolded by Peter Bhatia (perhaps rightly so) for joking about all the new young reporters at the O. But though I might have been a bit too flippant, I don't think I am wrong. This here is a case in point.Patrick Emersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242234148546323374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-91491156103963947032011-09-01T10:19:15.222-07:002011-09-01T10:19:15.222-07:00I will ride everyone about the Cascadian Dark Ale ...I will ride everyone about the Cascadian Dark Ale nonsense, but you've all earned Beervana. Seize it.<br /><br />I hope you'll join me this March 30th as we celebrate, "Misquote Ben Franklin Day" where we say stuff like:<br /><br />"When I speak of rain and vines and vineyards, I am appeasing the French but I really mean, beer." - Benjamin Franklin prior to his travelsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05517937508601507605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-40869914217551314702011-09-01T09:46:14.886-07:002011-09-01T09:46:14.886-07:00Yeah, that "Beervana" headline ticked me...Yeah, that "Beervana" headline ticked me off, too. I'm working up a rebuttal -- with a fortuitous picture from Tuesday night!Bill Nighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202318621724165312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-6882047588474561192011-09-01T09:39:43.472-07:002011-09-01T09:39:43.472-07:00Lotta cider, too, good point. (It was so popular ...Lotta cider, too, good point. (It was so popular it was effectively exempted from Prohibition.) Here's some stats from Okrent. <br /><br />Distilleries in New England in 1763: 159. Breweries in the entire country: 132. Distilleries in the US in 1830: <i>14,000</i>.Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-62934093149997387922011-09-01T09:31:09.530-07:002011-09-01T09:31:09.530-07:00pre-1840s, the US was primarily a cider country.pre-1840s, the US was primarily a cider country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com