tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post2522174437635957096..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: Death of a TavernJeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-53790848312598377372013-08-20T20:17:11.433-07:002013-08-20T20:17:11.433-07:00Your comment about the role of taverns in U.S. his...Your comment about the role of taverns in U.S. history may be true for Oregon, but it sure doesn't apply everywhere. In America's first "Western" frontier--the Allegenies and the Ohio River Valley--taverns served a respectable role. Families could eat in taverns. Community meetings were held there. Hell, most of the time court was held in the tavern.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02488543861659738217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-51140263644329954472013-08-20T18:13:34.100-07:002013-08-20T18:13:34.100-07:00Gary, I can't agree with you there. Every cou...Gary, I can't agree with you there. Every country has a different pub culture, and pubs fit in a different way in every culture. Old American taverns are definitely not the same as English taverns (or German beer halls or Belgian cafes). <br /><br />El Gordo, on the "classist" comment, I think you're right. The thought passed my mind as I was musing about these, and I sort Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-18726069107155790242013-08-20T17:14:20.486-07:002013-08-20T17:14:20.486-07:00I'd say the notion that the older taverns don&...I'd say the notion that the older taverns don't serve any useful purpose is a bit classist. True, you and I may only have frequented them in our younger days because they were affordable there was a lack of better options, but there's a lack of a barrier to entry to these places that makes for a bit more interesting and diverse clientele than many of the craft-focused establishments ElGordohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14008502996123204974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-60367305398315625122013-08-20T16:45:27.171-07:002013-08-20T16:45:27.171-07:00Actually, windows of bars/taverns were boarded up ...Actually, windows of bars/taverns were boarded up in post-prohibition because the state mandated it. I think the legislature repealed in the late-1970s. Many old bars had full plate glass windows underneath a false wall of plywood and stucco. For example, the Laurelthirst got it's widows back when the current owners took it over in 1990. Morgannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-66176255286610870222013-08-20T16:19:49.242-07:002013-08-20T16:19:49.242-07:00And I like the friendly commercialism of the "...And I like the friendly commercialism of the "Reel 'Em In" name, that's good.<br /><br />But Jeff: in a lifetime of casual interest in regional American foods I never heard of a "jo-jo". Can you explain?<br /><br />GaryGary Gillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-34604324095483864482013-08-20T16:16:01.947-07:002013-08-20T16:16:01.947-07:00Excellent article. However, I truly believe a bar...Excellent article. However, I truly believe a bar is a bar is a bar. The 1800's pubs in England and their successors, glittering or not (and America had its counterparts to the gaudy gin palaces particularly in Nevada and California) were places where some people enjoyed a drink and some people abused it. Just like in those Western saloons and their clapboard post WW-II successors.<br />Gary Gillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-60403499670436663532013-08-20T16:08:07.314-07:002013-08-20T16:08:07.314-07:00Cruised past Dreams and Memories this weekend, and...Cruised past Dreams and Memories this weekend, and its name looks to be more literal than figurative at this point as well. Viva El Gato Negro, it was a decent place to catch a buzz.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12521817915044064719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-83868244223830304442013-08-20T15:14:25.845-07:002013-08-20T15:14:25.845-07:00I think it is definitely true that the recollectio...I think it is definitely true that the recollection of grubby, often seedy taverns helped drive beer consumption into homes following Prohibition. Improved packaging and transportation also helped with that. This happened everywhere, including Portland. It seems to me craft beer got people back in pubs, now brewpubs, which were, as you say, clean, open, better-lit, family-friendly, etc. Taverns Pete Dunlophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17456380762400522665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-87092063239005592782013-08-20T10:40:00.344-07:002013-08-20T10:40:00.344-07:00Darn it! Opium and prostitution was what I should ...Darn it! Opium and prostitution was what I should have been doing to keep the doors open.J Tom Fieldnoreply@blogger.com