tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post5564083234609805117..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: The Troublesome Gray Area of EvaluationJeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-66431386718664931832013-03-18T04:35:29.376-07:002013-03-18T04:35:29.376-07:00I think I know what you mean.
'The Canon'...I think I know what you mean.<br /><br />'The Canon' might be another useful idea to borrow from literature -- a sort of collective understanding, with fuzzy edges, of what's 'in' and what's 'out'.<br /><br />Having said that, the literary canon is full of books few people actually enjoy reading very much.<br /><br />'Good beer' as worthy and significant, Baileyhttp://boakandbailey.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-84871284819803262052013-03-18T04:34:39.707-07:002013-03-18T04:34:39.707-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rayrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02313217986920578351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-12186698254919576272013-03-16T15:14:09.178-07:002013-03-16T15:14:09.178-07:00I think the trouble is distinguishing between &quo...I think the trouble is distinguishing between "good to me" and "good quality." BMC's are good quality but boring to most craft beer palates. Here is a somewhat related blog post (not by me) from Beer Sensory Science discussing quality vs liking.<br /> http://beersensoryscience.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/beer-quality/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-38422327359796078142013-03-16T12:24:49.438-07:002013-03-16T12:24:49.438-07:00Alan, that didn't seem so respectful. Sometim...Alan, that didn't seem so respectful. Sometimes you seem to get peeved for reasons I can't understand. On one's on blog, "going on about" things is sort of the point. I'm not sure why it should be so offensive.<br /><br />WWD: no, I'm talking about theories of aesthetics, not everything. We wouldn't have been able to discover the Higgs Boson if someone hadn&#Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-82441601347087730482013-03-16T11:04:29.876-07:002013-03-16T11:04:29.876-07:00"Literature does fine with out literary theor..."Literature does fine with out literary theory, and "good beer" will thrive without a blogger building the beautiful architecture of an aesthetic model."<br /><br />Just wondering: would you say the same thing about physics or construction or even speeding laws?what we’re drinkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17142427233477622358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-29938669747584817142013-03-15T16:53:29.769-07:002013-03-15T16:53:29.769-07:00Well, you will have to spare me the "you reve...Well, you will have to spare me the "you reveal it" stuff, Jeff. With respect, me thinks you need some time away from beer if you have fallen in love with your idea to the point no one really has a clue what you are on about. Alanhttp://agoodbeerblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-86738441033352277182013-03-15T16:18:05.155-07:002013-03-15T16:18:05.155-07:00Good, thoughtful comments.
Alan, I used Eagleton ...Good, thoughtful comments.<br /><br />Alan, I used Eagleton because I'm familiar with his work. The argument he makes is pretty easily importable from the ideas about literature--that is, we bring things to beer no less than we do to literature. You reveal it when you write "Literature conveys meaning about existence." That's not big-t truth, that's your imputation. And Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-14192643884122270772013-03-15T14:05:11.402-07:002013-03-15T14:05:11.402-07:00I just find this question puzzling because, no mat...I just find this question puzzling because, no matter how hard I try, I can't imagine myself isolating variables in a way that would make me say "Beer that has X, Y and Z is good, and beer that does not have X, Y and Z is not good." Yes, there are certain compounds and undesirables that can be forged through the brewing process, and these are things that, over time, have been Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01287873442588114879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-18757844148632440962013-03-15T13:36:05.729-07:002013-03-15T13:36:05.729-07:00With respect, I think this is all over reaching th...With respect, I think this is all over reaching the question, not a matter of people finding it hard or not. <br /><br />The values of squirreling away rare drinks did exist in 1975 and 1935 and most other points in time. And beer is no different from the other consumed things that are valued in that it goes in and out of style. People have prized good beer in the past. See what Hornsey says Alanhttp://agoodbeerblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-45297427396380179192013-03-15T11:17:21.752-07:002013-03-15T11:17:21.752-07:00I'm struck by this notion:
"value means...I'm struck by this notion: <br /><br />"value means whatever is valued by certain people in specific situations, according to particular criteria and in the light of given purposes."<br /><br />I know a number of people where the value of a beer is in getting of it and posting the unopened bottle on Facebook. I'm pretty sure the value is diminished when it's opened with 10 Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05517937508601507605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-56814053457645387522013-03-15T10:37:17.042-07:002013-03-15T10:37:17.042-07:00Anyone ever had a beer and thought "Well I do...Anyone ever had a beer and thought "Well I don't like it personally but I bet a lot of people would"? <br /><br />I have. What's going on there? Is that good beer or not?<br /><br />Seeing as craft beer is beer liked by people who like craft beer, perhaps good beer is beer liked by people who like good beer.<br />py0noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-40985575865605363892013-03-15T10:10:01.129-07:002013-03-15T10:10:01.129-07:00Ok, I see what you're driving at now. The thin...Ok, I see what you're driving at now. The thing is, yesterday you asked us what we would select for an individual seeking a beer in a style that we did not enjoy ourselves. I would say anyone commenting on this blog is of substantial knowledge, or at least enough to make an educated recommendation. I think what people such as ourselves DON'T want is to become tastemakers; to shape someoneAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01287873442588114879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-5910302623249174712013-03-15T09:58:12.930-07:002013-03-15T09:58:12.930-07:00I believe "liking" is enough. It doesn&#...I believe "liking" <i>is</i> enough. It doesn't matter how much energy, time and words we spend fetishising, intellectualising, dissecting and debating beer. It doesn't matter how many books are written about it and how many blogs open or close, the fact is that beer, any beer, is really nothing more than a beverage and drinking it will result in a sensory experience that you Pivní Filosofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.com