tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post653186233355011238..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: Deschutes Backlash?Jeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-62479433713126173452009-10-07T14:45:23.463-07:002009-10-07T14:45:23.463-07:00I'm a fan of Deschutes. I look for variety in...I'm a fan of Deschutes. I look for variety in my beer, but I grab a case of Mirror Pond, or Black Butte at least once a year.<br /><br />I'm a bit confused about what some of these critics are looking for in their beer. Do they literally want to drink some "gimmick" beer every day? <br /><br />I consider many of the "special beers" released by smaller breweries at $Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-19086606895341030762009-10-07T12:24:28.883-07:002009-10-07T12:24:28.883-07:00"Could some of the "local" backlash..."Could some of the "local" backlash perhaps stem from the Portland pub's Pearl District location and the fratbag / douchehole crowd that packs the place most every night? It doesn't matter what you're drinking, it's just not a pleasant place to have a pint."<br /><br />I think this is true, I LOVE the Deschutes Pearl Location, but I HATE the people that Jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00417500223757817529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-1240652708556773432009-10-06T23:25:29.705-07:002009-10-06T23:25:29.705-07:00With all the negative comments about Deschutes, it...With all the negative comments about Deschutes, it looks like breweries are prone to the indie music effect.<br /><br />Indie music attracts a lot of elitist fans. When a band becomes popular these fans disown it, claiming the band sold out or the music got worse. The truth is, they can't stand the idea of liking something 'mainstream'. True fans of music appreciate when a band of anyKevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06493321326831765055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-43826815424319350822009-10-06T12:12:25.275-07:002009-10-06T12:12:25.275-07:00Could some of the "local" backlash perha...Could some of the "local" backlash perhaps stem from the Portland pub's Pearl District location and the fratbag / douchehole crowd that packs the place most every night? It doesn't matter what you're drinking, it's just not a pleasant place to have a pint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-78641742587221177482009-10-06T10:46:24.596-07:002009-10-06T10:46:24.596-07:00@ Andrew Self
Hah! Yeah, the "Beevis-like&qu...@ Andrew Self<br /><br />Hah! Yeah, the "Beevis-like" comments usually come post-procurement when people see the bottle or the six pack. Only place that ever seems to carry any Deschutes around here is a place called "Beverages and More"... still not sure what the "More" is...Jake Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-7490467417573925412009-10-06T10:31:20.480-07:002009-10-06T10:31:20.480-07:00here's the bottom line: i am not bored because...here's the bottom line: i am not bored because i can drink the experimental beers at the pub, which tend to be exciting and different if not great. if all i got was the sixers and occasional 22, i'd be a little bored. but i don't think i'd be expecting deschutes to be cascade, upright, or bruery either. we need our session ales and consistent local products in addition to the Jim Bonomo aka GoodbyeOhiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06355938728009455030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-15396214052354343882009-10-06T10:09:08.904-07:002009-10-06T10:09:08.904-07:00iggir said...
"does average Joe consumer hap...iggir said...<br /><br />"does average Joe consumer happen to have the same IP address as dr wort?"<br /><br />If it is Mike Winslow, he's doing a lot more writing on Jeff's comments section than he is on his own blog.Ryan Hirschtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-84407390729018886382009-10-06T09:58:49.506-07:002009-10-06T09:58:49.506-07:00average Bill -
"So that means that Deschutes...average Bill -<br /><br />"So that means that Deschutes, Widmer, Pyramid etc. have to be forsaken because their success."<br /><br />Don't get too crazy! Deschutes is a big brewery that makes some fine beers, so far. Pyramid and Widmer and pure corporate entities that are producing corporate beers.average Joe consumernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-58988420966808401482009-10-06T09:33:56.107-07:002009-10-06T09:33:56.107-07:00Some of the comments just reflect obligatory craft...Some of the comments just reflect obligatory craft beer elitism (too-big-to-like). I mean, Westvleteren 12 is a great beer but it is not a coincidence that "the best beer in the world" turns out to be one of the hardest beers to obtain as well. <br /><br />There is a lot of evidence in experimental psychology (especially as it pertains to wine) that people rate alcoholic beverages Samuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-3661582419017166962009-10-06T09:27:44.100-07:002009-10-06T09:27:44.100-07:00I apologize upfront for the social philosophy, but...I apologize upfront for the social philosophy, but here's my two cents (OK, it's more like 10 cents):<br /><br />I think Average Joe Consumer hit the nail on the head:<br /><br />"The beer savvy are just like any other consumer, they search for something new, different and exciting."<br /><br />Yes, we've been conditioned as consumers in our culture to constantly demand Average Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-50426015501365948652009-10-06T08:59:16.316-07:002009-10-06T08:59:16.316-07:00OK, I had to write up my own rant on this subject....OK, I had to write up my <a href="http://www.its-pub-night.com/2009/10/how-good-is-deschutes.html" rel="nofollow">own rant</a> on this subject. Because you can never have too much ranting, right?<br /><br />Trivia question: how many Deschutes beers does the Beermongers currently stock? The answer is in my rant.Bill Nighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202318621724165312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-46046074308647681512009-10-06T08:34:10.461-07:002009-10-06T08:34:10.461-07:00An interesting conversation to have with friends i...An interesting conversation to have with friends is:<br /><br />If you could only drink beer from one brewery for the rest of your life, which one would it be?<br /><br />We always end up on Deschutes. I agree with other posters, the beer ranges from good to world class and I'm never disappointed when offered one.joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190744835642613081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-54230984264691163162009-10-06T07:54:42.201-07:002009-10-06T07:54:42.201-07:00While I can kind of understand the whole, "Bu...While I can kind of understand the whole, "But I've TRIED that already," mentality, it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the Deschutes roster ranges from 'competent' to 'really good' to 'I want to IV this stuff straight into my veins'. The only stuff I dislike is the occasional experimental brew. But that's par for the course for a Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15837885683383406955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-77949249956023305162009-10-06T06:50:23.887-07:002009-10-06T06:50:23.887-07:00Deschutes makes a great variety of beers, however ...Deschutes makes a great variety of beers, however they do have quality problems in the Bottle,namely oxidation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-46958866541206637922009-10-05T22:45:59.048-07:002009-10-05T22:45:59.048-07:00Commentary about how a brewery has slipped or beco...Commentary about how a brewery has slipped or become mundane or whatever the criticism carries with it some expectation of comparison. For example, Mirror Pond in 2002 had a more robust . . .etc. compared to 2008. Without that quantification, if one can call it that, such criticism is intellectual laziness. Jeff makes a good point to list the various beers available. At least showing that the Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07522969360434191018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-90476013639371132782009-10-05T22:44:35.102-07:002009-10-05T22:44:35.102-07:00(spelling edits ahoy!)
It's a shame we really...(spelling edits ahoy!)<br /><br />It's a shame we really have no objective measures in the beer world. All we have are our opinions (and we all know what those are like).<br /><br />However, I suspect that if we did have a magic yardstick, Deschutes would still be rating very well. The fact that they regularly clean up at competitions (silver for plain old Mirror Pond at the GABF!) and over beauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14849268248870050421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-39441279917505536342009-10-05T22:40:55.114-07:002009-10-05T22:40:55.114-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.beauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14849268248870050421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-46288135348600372162009-10-05T19:49:11.347-07:002009-10-05T19:49:11.347-07:00Anon -
""Who's Dr Wort?"
Is ...Anon - <br /><br />""Who's Dr Wort?"<br /><br />Is exactly what Dr. Wort would say.<br /><br />Go read some older Beervana posts."<br /><br />Thanks for your help. What a D-bag you must be!average Joe consumernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-36259138640839140432009-10-05T18:15:46.371-07:002009-10-05T18:15:46.371-07:00@Jake Smith
"I say this due to the frequent ...@Jake Smith<br /><br />"I say this due to the frequent number of times I've either looked or asked for a Black Butte, Mirrorpond, Inversion, etc., and been met with either a blank stare or a Beevis-like joke about Black Butte."<br /><br />You know it's pronounced "bewte" and not "butt" right? :)Andrew Selfhttp://www.technodevil.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-76659982096698900932009-10-05T18:04:29.153-07:002009-10-05T18:04:29.153-07:00Wow. I realize this is a beer blog for those lucky...Wow. I realize this is a beer blog for those lucky enough to live in the Northwest, but as an unfortunate denizen of Southern California, I doth protest.<br /><br />I guarantee you there are few outside of Oregon who are even familiar with Deschutes. I say this due to the frequent number of times I've either looked or asked for a Black Butte, Mirrorpond, Inversion, etc., and been met with Jake Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-62599726576144859332009-10-05T17:25:48.235-07:002009-10-05T17:25:48.235-07:00"Who's Dr Wort?"
Is exactly what Dr..."Who's Dr Wort?"<br /><br />Is exactly what Dr. Wort would say.<br /><br />Go read some older Beervana posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-2020700133637057102009-10-05T16:32:02.313-07:002009-10-05T16:32:02.313-07:00Damn, I was going to make exactly this same post o...Damn, I was going to make exactly this same post on It's Pub Night, but got bogged down in work.<br /><br />I don't get it either (obviously, having reacted to the "shadow of former greatness" comment over on Lew's blog).<br /><br />One commenter (at Lew's) compared Deschutes to Miller High Life?!? Oh come on. Another one implies that Sierra Nevada has retained their Bill Nighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09202318621724165312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-28334788413846277662009-10-05T16:00:53.840-07:002009-10-05T16:00:53.840-07:00"Wheat, IPA, Porter, Pale, Brown, Stout, Iris..."Wheat, IPA, Porter, Pale, Brown, Stout, Irish Red, Maibock, Wit, Munich Lager and A Holiday brew. "<br /><br />Does this lineup sound much more exciting then the one Jeff posted above?<br /><br />Scores Per Ratebeer:<br /><br />Deschutes Porter: 3.65<br />Boulevard Porter: 3.64<br /><br />Deschutes Pale: 3.45<br />Boulevard Pale: 3.24<br /><br />Deschutes IPA: 3.51<br />Boulevard IPA: DA Beershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13592377918990052792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-36859445283048081382009-10-05T15:11:08.745-07:002009-10-05T15:11:08.745-07:00I don't think there's a backlash. First of...I don't think there's a backlash. First off, I'm immediately suspicious that two of the commenters in Lew's post resolve to "Profile Not Available" pages, and when their comments instantly make the "Troll sense" tingle, I wouldn't put much stock in any "backlash" from that angle.<br /><br />Jeff France's comments are more concrete, though Jonhttp://www.thebrewsite.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-28310066041912300182009-10-05T14:56:09.660-07:002009-10-05T14:56:09.660-07:00Who's Dr Wort?Who's Dr Wort?average Joe consumernoreply@blogger.com