tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post7567272091784233800..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: Did Americans Invent Scottish Ale?Jeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-71021067653340831732012-01-07T10:28:57.713-08:002012-01-07T10:28:57.713-08:00Re: the comment about Pike inventing Scottish Ale....Re: the comment about Pike inventing Scottish Ale. Grants Scottish Ale was being brewed in Washington and at Portland Brewing before Pike Brewing ever opened.Leftfielderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09155700673496307589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-24977771507004887012012-01-06T05:00:12.554-08:002012-01-06T05:00:12.554-08:00Greg Noonan's involvement in the whole peat th...Greg Noonan's involvement in the whole peat thing is two sided. He never suggested peated malt should be involved in the creation of Scottish-style ales, and in fact stated plainly that only one "in recent memory" displayed such a characteristic. However, he did use peated malt in his Vermont Pub & Brewery Scotch Ale, so that's what a lot of people, particularly, I suspect, Stephen Beaumonthttp://worldofbeer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-37238629691009004512012-01-05T13:36:17.393-08:002012-01-05T13:36:17.393-08:00I’m not really defending Noonan’s scholarship. I j...I’m not really defending Noonan’s scholarship. I just think he's not the worst offender, and Scots as well as Americans have done their bit to mythologise and romanticise Scottish beer. That traditional kettle caramelisation stuff? I suspect that was told to Michael Jackson by Russell Sharp, who ran the Caledonian Brewery, where the beers conveniently exhibited just that characteristic.<br />Rob Sterowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870233673933087794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-40653801491066936422012-01-05T09:25:05.082-08:002012-01-05T09:25:05.082-08:00Isn't the Scottish Ale thing very similar to w...Isn't the Scottish Ale thing very similar to what is happening now with "Abbey" style beers, Rauchbier or, to a certain extent, Bock? <br /><br />Meaning that at some point someone recreated a beer of some kind, other people followed suit and BAM! You've got a style, which, as styles tend to do evolves, gets copied by homebrewers in Europe who will claim they make Abbey Beer or Pivní Filosofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-13873197310032753402012-01-04T16:36:42.910-08:002012-01-04T16:36:42.910-08:00Barm, agree on Noonan. He got some stuff wrong, b...Barm, agree on Noonan. He got some stuff wrong, but he got quite a bit right. That book was published twenty years ago and included more historical sources than almost any other contemporary American writer. If the stuff I write holds up as well after 20 years of subsequent scholarship, I'll be delighted.Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-44530824193047122252012-01-04T16:06:10.263-08:002012-01-04T16:06:10.263-08:00When I lived in Scotland for a few months, I never...When I lived in Scotland for a few months, I never saw a peaty beer, and I am not personally fond of peat in beer, even though I like peaty scotch. I was a bit mystified by all the peaty American "Scottish" ales until I realized it was primarily an American invention, with only one or two Scottish examples that are more of a novelty than a distinct style.Bartimaeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04041170926124714639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-4988104461593176002012-01-04T16:00:34.441-08:002012-01-04T16:00:34.441-08:00Thanks for posting this. It seems to me that Sam A...Thanks for posting this. It seems to me that Sam Adams’ Scotch Ale was very influential in shaping American ideas of what Scottish beer ought to be like. Greg Noonan often gets a bad rap on this subject, but he wasn't the one who popularised the idea of peaty, smoky Scottish beer; he explicitly pointed out in his book that no Scottish brewery used whisky malt. That idea came from homebrew Barmhttp://refreshingbeer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-57172985871020372662012-01-04T15:38:37.944-08:002012-01-04T15:38:37.944-08:00It's interesting that when shillings were used...It's interesting that when shillings were used, they were an indication of strength only, not of style. So you could have a 60/ Mild and a 60/ Pale, but US style guidelines don't mention that at all. Also considering the myth that Scottish beers didn't use a lot of hops because they're not native, they sure did brew a lot of IPA in Glasgow in the 19th Century.Bill Schnellernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-72608407678541057462012-01-04T15:36:16.835-08:002012-01-04T15:36:16.835-08:00I think Pike invented the Scottish ale.
Americans...I think Pike invented the Scottish ale.<br /><br />Americans invented the IPA as well, didn't we?Brewers Union Local 180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05786517873195170945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-59947595208989501902012-01-04T15:31:57.714-08:002012-01-04T15:31:57.714-08:00Ach!Ach!Patrick Emersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17242234148546323374noreply@blogger.com