tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post8014586255184760222..comments2023-11-02T07:13:53.064-07:00Comments on Beervana: Your Friday "Hmmmm"Jeff Alworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-11093381904952420262012-12-10T10:32:27.778-08:002012-12-10T10:32:27.778-08:00It is a smiley face, the "mouth" curves ...It is a smiley face, the "mouth" curves "up" (toward the "eyes").<br /><br />So, I can see where the argument that "weiss", which technically means white though not in the very specific application of "Weissbeir Dunkel", has some relevance to the discussion of the oxymoron of the name "black pale ale". Still, the argument strikes me as &Mark Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16544067454377249243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-29160904715155867732012-12-09T09:26:34.337-08:002012-12-09T09:26:34.337-08:00Anon, shouldn't that be a smiley face?Anon, shouldn't that be a smiley face?Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-47242026345094785272012-12-09T05:52:06.262-08:002012-12-09T05:52:06.262-08:00Thatc should be Broyhan, not Borthan.Thatc should be Broyhan, not Borthan.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-87218169967035179872012-12-09T04:54:57.852-08:002012-12-09T04:54:57.852-08:00Sorry to arrive at this party so late. Mike: the &...Sorry to arrive at this party so late. Mike: the "Weiss" in Weissbier has nothing to do with wheat. That's a false connection made more recently. Weissbier is beer made with white malt, i.e. air-dried malt.<br /><br />That's why all-barley Brothan is still a Weissbier.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-8601103079869361162012-12-09T03:43:13.714-08:002012-12-09T03:43:13.714-08:00jesus you guys are nerds(:jesus you guys are nerds(:Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-30986860803229557552012-12-08T15:07:50.035-08:002012-12-08T15:07:50.035-08:00Time to throw this into the fire. I know that Wiki...Time to throw this into the fire. I know that Wikipedia shouldn't necessarily be considered authoritative, but I quote it here are the same:<br /><br />" Etymologisch leitet sich Weizen vom „Weiß“ des Produkts dieses Getreides, des weißen Mehls, und der hellen Farbe der Weizenfrucht ab."<br /><br />http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weizen<br /><br />Google Translate (with my grammatical Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18090929992167664278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-21043693446452908152012-12-08T09:55:17.019-08:002012-12-08T09:55:17.019-08:00Gentlemen, I don't think that you can isolate ...Gentlemen, I don't think that you can isolate a single word and attach significance to it. In both these cases, they are phrases: IPA and Weissbier.<br /><br />Weiss has not come to mean wheat, as Jeff wrote, but Weissbier does mean wheat beer, and has for several centuries. I would argue the same for IPA - yes, you could take it apart and talk about pale or India, but it is the phrase that mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18391986396999558718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-84184868199869468282012-12-08T08:33:24.402-08:002012-12-08T08:33:24.402-08:00I don't think the "pale" in IPA stil...<i>I don't think the "pale" in IPA still has the connotation you ascribe to it. Like the "India", and the "weiss" in weissbier, it need not be taken literally.</i><br /><br />Exactly. The name IPA is bizarre and obscure now. (Few know what it refers to and those who think they do are almost invariably getting it wrong.) Like the "weiss" that has come Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-48900332988794816182012-12-08T08:00:40.683-08:002012-12-08T08:00:40.683-08:00No argument on the weissbier front, Mike, but I do...No argument on the weissbier front, Mike, but I don't think the "pale" in IPA still has the connotation you ascribe to it. Like the "India", and the "weiss" in weissbier, it need not be taken literally.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-49777829318909488162012-12-08T07:48:57.014-08:002012-12-08T07:48:57.014-08:00Beer Nut, since the Weissbier term has been around...Beer Nut, since the Weissbier term has been around since approximately the Middle Ages, the original use of the term in connection with a pale malt has long since faded into the mists of time. A Weissbier Dunkel does not mean "dark white beer", it means a dark wheat beer. IOW, the "weiss" part of the name no longer has the same connotation that "pale" has in IPA. I mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18391986396999558718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-56921747091845288922012-12-08T03:53:54.152-08:002012-12-08T03:53:54.152-08:00By the same rationale, Mike, IPA can be anything f...By the same rationale, Mike, IPA can be anything from pale gold to dark amber. In modern beer I don't think the "pale" in IPA can be taken any more literally than the "weiss" in weissbier.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-38095164441647589332012-12-08T02:27:16.305-08:002012-12-08T02:27:16.305-08:00Jeff, black IPA is a contradiction in terms since ...Jeff, black IPA is a contradiction in terms since black and pale are opposites. Weize (German for "wheat") and Weisse (German for "white") are used interchangeably for the same beer. See, for example, the German Brewers Assocation: http://www.brauer-bund.de/bier-ist-genuss/biersorten-im-portraet/weizenbier.html<br /><br />They write: "Weizenbier, auch Weißbier genannt, mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18391986396999558718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-88074438772621425102012-12-07T17:51:09.332-08:002012-12-07T17:51:09.332-08:00Because "Black IPA" type beer doesn'...Because "Black IPA" type beer doesn't have anything to do with India?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00097878173622170668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-18556401840857038802012-12-07T12:04:28.070-08:002012-12-07T12:04:28.070-08:00I'm actually talking about the naming conventi...I'm actually talking about the <a href="http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2008/03/weissbier-and-braunbier.html" rel="nofollow">naming convention</a> here, which I recognize might not have been immediately obvious in the slapdash way I threw this post together.Jeff Alworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930119177544342495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-26629894725512992412012-12-07T11:44:30.739-08:002012-12-07T11:44:30.739-08:00OK, I see the problem: you think it means "wh...OK, I see the problem: you think it means "white". It doesn't. It means "wheat".<br /><br />Doug, the point is not that Black IPA is a bad beer, it's that the name is ridiculous.mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18391986396999558718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-53336138809427582622012-12-07T11:37:41.922-08:002012-12-07T11:37:41.922-08:00Who said Black IPA is bad? I have had some very g...Who said Black IPA is bad? I have had some very good CDAs (as I prefer to call them). I say we make up as many new styles as we can think of, throw them against the wall and see what sticks over time. Cheers to creativity of the brewer!!!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08045932815803241843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21271644.post-28831026696834162522012-12-07T11:07:26.203-08:002012-12-07T11:07:26.203-08:00I don't get it. What's the connection betw...I don't get it. What's the connection between this and a "black pale" ale?mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18391986396999558718noreply@blogger.com